Railway Security Disclosure

(blog.railway.com)

147 points | by passenger 1 hour ago

18 comments

  • theturtletalks 46 minutes ago
    Postiz founder posted on X that his service is being brought down, his keys were already used and Railway was quiet about this until he spoke up:

    https://x.com/wickedguro/status/2113015432974405658

  • fbrncci 23 minutes ago
    Right just as I take my first day off (for the entire year!) from work to fly out for a vacation. The mother of all security bombs starts dropping all around stacks and services that I am responsible for. How else could have taken time off go for me…
    • jjulius 2 minutes ago
      Prioritize your mental health, go enjoy your vacation.
  • MattIPv4 53 minutes ago
    Seen multiple folks in the Railway Discord confirming that their secrets stored in Railway have been used by third parties, so it definitely sounds like the attackers were able to read decrypted environment variables.
  • martinald 40 minutes ago
    I have a bad gut feeling that every day is going to look a bit like today with endless urgent patches and breaches.

    Fwiw it sounds similar to the hack over the weekend that opencode suffered.

    • 0x1F8B 4 minutes ago
      The security team at my company is working with a frontier lab to scan all our code/systems. They are in a borderline panic to close every possible issue, even innocuous ones that are buried under defense in depth. Whatever they are seeing from our partner has them spooked -- as in "acceptable risk" is no longer a thing anymore.
    • Fordec 26 minutes ago
      I fully believe the only sustainable future is that hot patching will need to itself become fully automated. Hot patch now with a minimal allowed amount of line changes to head off the AIs, review it in office hours for auditing and the team is actually awake.

      My second belief is that environment variables as a development concept will need to be retired. If it's something that causes a security breach if it by its mere existence on a public git repo, it is information that by design cannot ever pass to a filesystem out of a chain of trust, not by mere development conventions people choose to adhere to.

      • munificent 23 minutes ago
        > hot patching will need to itself become fully automated.

        Great, even less control over the things we use and more power ceded to corporations.

        • Fordec 20 minutes ago
          Due to the small nature of hot patching (eg. bump this dependency, rotate these keys, turn off that config, follow the runbook) it will unlikely need to be a frontier model and is likely able to be done LocalLLM/Jev style decision making rather than having to hand all the keys to frontier model operators.
      • stabbles 11 minutes ago
        Hot patching is itself a liability
    • yakz 27 minutes ago
      It's only just starting. It'll get worse before it gets better.
    • reconnecting 36 minutes ago
      I think the only way out is to go back to on-prem for everything, like in the 00s.

      LAN cables will go up in price soon.

      • solyin 31 minutes ago
        How does on-prem help if your product is a SaaS.
        • lawrenceduk 18 minutes ago
          You open a SaaS shop where people come to use it
        • codeulike 13 minutes ago
          Instead of being a SaaS it will need to just become a S
        • 80fj0348i 12 minutes ago
          You put the SaaS into a Box your customers can install into their datacenter!
    • Sivart13 26 minutes ago
      surely once there's been enough patches the code will be perfect though?
  • paxy 43 minutes ago
    It’s funny that every security breach disclosure now has a mandatory “the attacker used AI!” as if it absolves you from having to maintain a secure system. If anything it makes the situation more damning. If it was possible to find exploits using AI then your own red teaming should have found them before the attacker did.
    • nrmitchi 3 minutes ago
      > It’s funny that every security breach disclosure now has a mandatory “the attacker used AI!”

      This isn't in the article? They do not at all claim "the attacked used AI!".

      The only mention of "AI" is "We believe this is part of a series of attacks recently targeting platform companies with the aim of compromising AI inference providers." This is the same (apparently) end-goal as the Opencode breach last week, and is not blaming or finger-point at AI. It is stating (rightfully) that AI inference is very easy to resell and turn stolen credentials into cash.

    • tokioyoyo 29 minutes ago
      Defending is so much harder than attacking. You don't even have to focus on one target, as you can just mass-AI-script a lot of attacks wherever it's possible, and see what sticks. Even if you did everything right, there's always the social-engineering angle, or a single compromised device, or just accidental bad upgrade through supply chain. If you can mass-spread the seed, and plant something that "calls home" constantly, you can just have an agent that would start the attack the minute it gets infected, and go deeper.

      It's really a wild west right now, have no idea how we fix it. I'm assuming everything will get more concentrated in big co's hands, as having a very robust security is extremely hard.

      Also, we have to agree that younger people will start companies. There will be small companies that cannot afford red teams. There will be companies that are just not equipped, and their profit margins cannot sustain constant attacks.

    • arcanemachiner 38 minutes ago
      > your own red teaming should have found them before the attacker did

      Easier said than done. The defender has to do everything right, all the time, to prevent a headline like this. The attacker only needs to be right once, and it's game over. AI or no AI.

    • gkoberger 35 minutes ago
      Unless they edited the post, they never said this. You should delete this; it's false information.
    • mbreese 24 minutes ago
      I didn’t actually see that in this post at all. They mention that the end goal of the attackers might be to get to AI inference providers. But I don’t think they are crying “AI was used” here.

      Or did I miss something?

    • barrrrald 41 minutes ago
      This one doesn’t?
  • DrawTR 46 minutes ago
    Jeez, what a rough past 24 hours for all security folk. Hang in there
    • llama052 4 minutes ago
      I'm already tired, between pushing back on vibe coded internal projects being put onto the internet and then the constant barrage of CVEs that mean nothing.

      Then you have real security incidents that you need to tune into constantly.

    • jacquesm 44 minutes ago
      It's going to be a rough decade.
      • rectang 33 minutes ago
        I really don't know how we are going to deal with accelerated exploit generation via LLMs — it blows up the disclosure processes we've evolved.

        The only thing I can think of is hunkering down with static HTML to reduce attack surface, but that's laughably incompatible with many many business requirements.

        • jacquesm 3 minutes ago
          I think it will kill open source to some degree. I found it already very hard to imagine how the endless queues of issues were being dealt with so diligently, but at least there was a human on the other side. The torrent that is unleashed now is not manageable on a human scale. It's a highly automated arms race with a bunch of good-willing humans caught in the crossfire between large companies and criminals duking it out.
      • cortesoft 31 minutes ago
        It feels like the only solution is going to be proactively running your own AI agents looking for patches and applying them.
        • rectang 25 minutes ago
          The issue is where to direct the LLM's attention.

          Prompting the LLM to "look for vulnerabilities in PHP's multipart upload handling code" is going to find stuff that "look for vulnerabilities in PHP" won't.

        • jacquesm 2 minutes ago
          Yes, so who will pay for that? Open source so far meant you would use your brains and your creativity, now you need to use your money too if you want to keep pace. From a 'guts, credits & glory' proposition to 'slop processor if you can afford it' is not really an upgrade.
      • throwaway613746 33 minutes ago
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    • merlindru 4 minutes ago
      job security!
  • minraws 42 minutes ago
    how are the secrets decrypted, I would like some explanation so that I can have some understanding here, I am starting to feel like all these companies are just meme-ing with their security posture.

    Like did someone vibe code too hard, how do env secrets leak for everyone...

    • 9cb14c1ec0 32 minutes ago
      Easy, all the bad guys need to do is access whatever system stores the decryption keys.
  • AJRF 35 minutes ago
    Do cloud providers have a lock-down mode where you can press 1 button and stop all spend?
  • fyzix 22 minutes ago
    How is it possible rotate keys if you disable deployments? You're basically telling us to take our services offline...
    • tossstone 9 minutes ago
      I've already taken my applications offline and will be migrating to a new host...
  • eecks 26 minutes ago
    Huh, I've been using Railway tonight and this was the first I've seen of this. Just got an email about it now too at 23:36
  • MattIPv4 51 minutes ago
  • wateralien 43 minutes ago
    Is this our new AI daily reality?
    • iririririr 32 minutes ago
      companies probably have php and Python applications exposed to the web and nobody knows.

      the speed of irresponsible deployments is infinite now, by design

  • gbnwl 42 minutes ago
    The past two days have been awful as someone who uses Railway.
  • sergiotapia 25 minutes ago
    If you're on Railway do not wait, ROTATE every API key at the source, and do not set new values because Railway is still compromised and not secured.
  • Keloran 57 minutes ago
    Well this is certainly interesting, I wonder how their secrets were being stored, I assumed they were stored in vault and then injected with a sidecar, but I guess not
  • alpineman 36 minutes ago
    Train wreck
  • esseph 42 minutes ago
    Fuck, I thought this was about trains
  • lijok 39 minutes ago
    Damn I guess all those l33t hiring practices were for nothing
    • rvz 24 minutes ago
      Of course, it was a giant scam that tested for nothing and optimized for how to pass a test.

      Let's see if companies are ready to hire more people who know what they are doing, against a super-intelligent swarm of millions of agents with cyber capabilities.